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"Power to the players -- except anytime it interferes with our business, promotes a competitor, or actually benefits the player."
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| Geoffrey Rowland |
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is this even legal?
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| Rey Samonte |
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Oh man, don't get me started. This is one of the reasons why I can't support Gamestop. One time, they tried to sell me an opened box as new. They assured me that it has never been played with and that the only reason they open the new boxes were for security measures...or something like that. If I'm a paying customer buying something that's new, I'd like to be the one to open the box and have the peace of mind that I'm getting all that I've paid for.
I have no hard feelings towards the employees as they are only doing their job. But corporately, some of their practices just doesn't sit well with me. |
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| E Zachary Knight |
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Arstechnica has verified it with GameStop PR:
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/08/report-gamestop-opening-deus-ex-copie s-removing-free-game-code.ars This is flat out disgusting. How can they possibly expect to not get a severe backlash from both consumers and game publishers from this? What the crap were they thinking? |
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| Harry Fields |
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Bye bye gamestop. I hope the next console refresh embraces digital delivery more. Cut brick and mortar that does crap like this out. Instead of bringing something of value to the equation, they decide to rip the streaming pass from boxes customers buy? So anti-consumer.
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| Ryan Miller |
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This is almost as disgusting as the time a Gamestop employee told me that ex-Infinity Ward members had gone on to form Sledgehammer Games so they could sign with EA in order to publish Modern Warfare 3.
(...in the interest of getting me to pre-order, of course. It didn't work.) |
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| Geoffrey Rowland |
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well...who buys PC games at gamestop anyway? heh
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| Richard Eid |
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"Voucher Removal Program" ???
And it's not like someone snuck in after GameStop received shipments of this game and stuck OnLive vouchers in the Deus Ex packages. They were bundled this way at manufacturing. So how can GameStop claim that Square Enix packed these vouchers without their knowledge? It shouldn't even matter. Also, being that you're buying an open package, are you getting the game at a discounted price? LOL, no I know. Soon, no Steam games. Will GameStop begin removing the slip that has the CD-Key on it for Steam games? |
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| Rob Wright |
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I'm so confused by this. Can GameStop really open up a product from another company, tamper with it, and box it back up again? Where is Square Enix on this? And why is Gamestop freaking out when they don't even have a competing platform? That's like EA saying it won't put games on Steam because....oh, wait a minute....
In any event, pre-orded the game through Amazon and got the voucher. I stopped buying from GameStop years ago when they failed to deliver on three pre-orders in a row. |
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| Alex Leighton |
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Anyone know if EBGames is doing this in Canada? I wasn't planning on buying it on PC but I would be interested to know.
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| Richard Eid |
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Rob Wright: GameStop is now the proud owner of a shiny new Impulse. So they do, indeed, have a competing platform.
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| Gil Salvado |
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I never knew why I didn't bought games at GameStop - probably because it's not as common as other retailers in Europe - but now I do have a reason to continue not being one of their customers.
If they wouldn't had bought Spawn Labs, they probably wouldn't had removed the vouchers. From a business point of view I can almost understand their move, but it is either very close to unfair business practices or is definitively illegal. We're at the brink of the digital distribution age and may rest assured that retailers will show a lot of elbows in the coming years. |
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| Evan Bell |
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Given Game Stop's size and position in the marketplace this could very well be an anti-trust violation. Too bad the justice department stopped caring about anti-competitive practices in the year 2000.
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| Duong Nguyen |
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GameStop, stopping the future one game at a time.. GameStop is scared to death of online distributions, as they should be. It's only a matter of time before before buying a box game is a luxury for the few willing to pay a premium.
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| Daniel Piers |
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I would even understand if they replaced the OnLive vouchers with Impulse vouchers, but this is just shitty.
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| Adam Bishop |
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And with that I will officially no longer be purchasing anything from their stores.
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While GameStop @doesn't yet offer@ a streaming game service to compete with OnLive -------
doesnt yet offer? Nice one. We can thank EA for setting this practice in motion (Ala EA's removal of BF3 from steam). But when you don't even offer a competitive service, where is the concern for the customer? It sounds like a greedy albeit sour grapes business move... yay Gamestop. I will avoid buying games through Game stop on purpose now. |
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| Kevin Patterson |
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Well, if Gamestop pulls the coupon, they should replace it with a coupon for Impulse. If they do not, they are in the wrong. I hope more games have this type of thing, I want to see more Valve - Portal 2 deals where I can downloaded the pc version when i buy the console version. I already hate buying from gamestop, i hardly buy from them anymore.
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| Christopher Enderle |
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I really don't get the EA comparisons. EA can do anything it wants to do with anything it owns, it doesn't even have to sell BF3 at all anywhere, but Gamestop is stealing something OnLive paid to have put in every manufactured retail box.
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| Jeffrey Crenshaw |
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How heavily was this voucher advertised by Square/OnLive? Also, how obvious does GameStop make it that you won't receive what you expect at their store -- do you have to wait until you get home and open the box?
I don't think I would mind at all if GameStop decided not to stock copies of DEHR in response to this, or pulled copies, but tampering with a product like this to lower its value for the customers while still wanting to profit from it seems highly illegal. Is this legal?? I expect a class action or federal investigation... |
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| Jonathan Murphy |
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What they did right there wasn't legal. They could be sued if we had a functional law system. In 5-10 years Gamestop will be dead anyway. One day it'll all be online downloadable and or streaming. Doing stuff like this just makes that day come faster.
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| Anton Maslennikov |
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Some EULAs are implicitly activated when their package is opened. Often there are clauses about using the CD afterward. I wonder if, by having gamestop open games before selling them, if a purchased open game is in a legal grey area until it's put into your drive.
I should have been a lawyer. |
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| Eloy Ribera |
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This thing is really interesting. If OnLive is their competition right now, maybe the 360 & PS3 are too, because they offer downloadable games bypassing the shop.
Also, as a developer (and costumer) this is a very bad move from GameStop. If they are building their own game streaming system, how will them try to convince developers to launch on their platform? If they want exclusives, they have to start thinking on ways to pay for them... |
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| Sean Currie |
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And all my sympathy for the retail giant and my insistence that no industry has a right to second sale has just completely gone out the window. This was a third party tampering and stealing (yes, stealing) a portion of the product that was intended to go toward the consumer.
Is it too much to hope that the entire industry turns around and yanks all their product off GS' shelves? |
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| Keith Patch |
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I for one agree with Gamestop here. It was a dirty move by Square-Enix, but I think that GS should have made their actions clear rather than let the consumer simply find out after the purchase.
Although, I also feel that they should have pulled the game altogether, but that's a bit of a profit hit there. I wonder who'd lose more if GS decided to stop selling S-E games... |
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| Martain Chandler |
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Poor Gamestop. The marketplace out-evolved them. I wonder if this will end up killing them.
http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:GME |
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| Matthew Gill |
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Wow. I'm not sure who I'm more irked with. GameStop for pulling a stunt that could very well be legally challenged or Square-Enix for rolling over like they did.
GameStop has made a way of business out of damaging the game industry. It's a shame to see the same industry ask, "How high?", when GameStop says, "Jump." |
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| Jeremy Reaban |
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Who buys PC games at Gamestop, anyway? They've ceded that market pretty much since the PS1 era...
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| Jeremy Alessi |
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This wasn't a good move for GameStop. This drama will cause more interest in OnLive than the voucher ever would. They should have spent their energy making a better service. Not that they are incorrect in their reasoning but ruling by principle isn't always the best idea. They managed to simultaneously stifle their content provider's business, anger consumers, and raise awareness for their competitor.
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| Joe McGinn |
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Five years from now they will be as obsolete as Blockbuster, and record stores before them.
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| steve roger |
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Some of the comments I am reading regarding this story don't make a lot sense. Gamestop is no more evil than most other retailers. This includes digital service companies and Onlive. And claiming that Amazon.com is a better alternative is just silly. Gamestop sells games. In great numbers. It also markets games pretty well. Not everybody is connected to gaming online like you guys.
Wake up. It is a tough retail world. |
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| Andrew Tilot |
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Game stop wont tell you but games with out manuals cost on less, and open packages can be inquired about lowering the price.
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| Lorenzo Gatti |
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Gamestop has been unable to compete on price and range of products with online sellers and on service with independent stores; losing trustworthiness is only the final nail on the coffin.
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| Eric Gilbert |
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This sets a horrible precedent. Gamestop's only legal options were to sell it, not sell it, or work with SE to send them copies without the coupons. What happens when retailers don't like something in a special edition bundle or something? And what happens when they start to break up those special editions to sell the contents individually? Or take out vouchers from one game to give away with another (they would be giving it away for free either way)?
Shame on SE for rolling over. |
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| NeKeysha Guyton |
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...wow. Not that I've bought PC games at Gamestop, but still...wow. But even though I've been a loyal customer for years (owing to the professionalism of the local employees, not the company itself), I'm not sure if I want to continue letting them have my business. In any case, they've kind of been on the decline as a company, anyway.
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| Matt Marquez |
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People still buy from GameStop? Why? WHY?
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| Marc-Andre Caron |
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This is as if Google could no longer find Facebook in web searches now that they're also in the race to social dominance.
If you're lowering the quality of your primary business because of your side project, it looks like failure across the board. |
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